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RGB Truly Canon with the Movies?
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ProtonDefender
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Joined: Feb 10, 2002
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 Posted: Mar 25, 2003 12:15 PM
This can go here or in the Cartoon section, but I'm not too worried about it. It has been said that Aykroyd sees the RGB's as canon with the movies, and even some members of the GB community counts them as actual events in GB history. However, in GBII we are told, more than once, that after the encounter with Zuul, the GB's were sued by countless businesses/buildings/etc and shutdown as a business, making it illegal for them to use their ghostbusting equipment-the judicial restrainment order- and that's why it was such a big deal they were arrested, besides digging the hole in the street. Yet GBII purposely has some elements of RGB in it, which makes no sense seeing that after GBI, they weren't allowed to keep their business open, and they didn't bust anything until the courtroom. Egon and Ray of course still studied the paranormal, but not as ghostbusters and not for a business. I have always personally believed that the cartoons should stay seperate from the movies, and we shouldn't try to mix them; if we do, it means they never went out of business and it makes GBII pointelss.
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Dr. Loomis
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Joined: Oct 31, 2002
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Posted: Mar 25, 2003 2:21 PM
I always thought GB was canon with RGB, since in the show they continually said that thier adventures were covered in the movies. So my idea was that RGB was real life while the movies were fantasy.
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Cold
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Joined: Mar 16, 2003
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Posted: Mar 25, 2003 4:06 PM
Duh gb1 came before rgb.
Also they didnt say how long it was after the stay puff thing in gb1, i may not have been right after, u know how long theses court cases last, and im sure their are more days in the year then rgb eps, not to mention that 2rgb eps/situations could be on the same day..
Aslo your geting the time in between, after they catch slimer to the stay puff thing.. we don't as at least 2/3 weeks worth the work done by the boys so i could say the 1st few rgb eps were them, after all im sure in 2 weeks they could have done a hell of a lot, Winston does talk about in gb1 how busy they have been (just before the car breaks down on the bridge) lol 
as good as the cartoon was, its just a cartoon its NOTHING compared to the film/movie. the movie will and always have been the correct one and come 1st.
IN EGB why did they become broke again? after the city payed them for the mood slime sistuation?
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d_osborn
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Joined: Aug 01, 2001
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Posted: Mar 25, 2003 4:10 PM
the ONLY thing i consider canon in the GB universe are the movies.  i think the reason GB2 had elements that resembled the RGB cartoon is because that i what the studio requested.
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ProtonDefender
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Joined: Feb 10, 2002
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Posted: Mar 25, 2003 5:10 PM
I agree that we can only truly count the movies, for they are the visions of Dan, Harold and Ivan, the true creative pool behind GB's, and in the end, much better than all the episodes of the cartoons combined.
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Veedramon
Ghosthead
Joined: Feb 03, 2003
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Posted: Mar 25, 2003 7:44 PM
I think a lot of us are going to just have to "agree to disagree" on this one. I can sense that already just from skimming the "RGB vs. guys who look like Murray, Aykroyd, Ramis, and Hudson" debates over in the It's Coming thread.
GB1 is, indeed, the original inspiration and concept that inspired everything after. It and RGB lived together pretty well, RGB even went out of it's way to explain it's relationship with the movie and some of the differences between them in the episodes "Citizen Ghost" and "Take Two", the latter revealing that the first movie, at least, exists in the RGB universe as just that, a movie account of the Gozer battle!
GB2 kind of threw some monkey wrenches into it, but it's still a salvageable relationship. Remember, as Cold suggests, court cases can take a long time...and then, as I do, take that two-year gap between the release of GB1 and RGB Season One, and move it between Season Three and GB2. Presto! the Ghostbusters are still out of business for a couple of years! After that it boils down to whether you picture the RGBs or Four Guys In Tan Who Look Like Murray, Aykroyd, Ramis, and Hudson busting Vigo...
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Arsenal
Ghosthead
Joined: Mar 14, 2003
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Posted: Mar 26, 2003 12:09 AM
Well the movie in Take Two is a movie based on the battle in the 1st movie.
Ya see when we watch GB1 its not Murray, Aykroyd, Ramis and Hudson. Its Peter, Ray, Egon and Winston.
The cartoon mention the actor names a joke, but I think the cartoon is supposed to kinda tie in with the movie more than...say the Batman cartoons did with the Batman movies.
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JyPsy
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Joined: Aug 28, 2002
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Posted: Mar 26, 2003 2:33 AM
here is a crazy idea:
After RGB ended, someone got Sue-Happy and sued them and everyone else followed suit then......which would explain the restraining order in GB2
six years is along time.
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brian_reilly
Ghosthead
Joined: Jan 18, 2002
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Posted: Mar 26, 2003 2:43 PM
Many RGB episodes can be counted as occurring during GB1.
Let's assume that Walter Peck DID NOT get his restraining order ina matter of minutes, and assume that a decent amount of time had passed between his meeting with Peter and his shutting off the power grid.
Also, don't forget that the Ghostbusters were very, very busy when they first opened up shop, as shown in the montage scene.
So, the "Straczynski Era" of Real Ghostbusters occured during GB1 (with exceptions like Ctizen Ghost and Take Two which absolutely had to occur after GB1) and the "Post-Straczynski Era" occurred during or after GB2.
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Cold
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Joined: Mar 16, 2003
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Posted: Mar 26, 2003 3:34 PM
In fact what i said about how busy they were and that some of the rgb could be the 2 weeks they talk about thet we didnt see DOES NOT WORK..
After all in rgb they had slimer, so they anything from the rgb HAS to be after the movie.
And since when does a Cartoon make sence?
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RunDMC
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Joined: Jul 16, 2001
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Posted: Mar 26, 2003 8:50 PM
The movie is part of the RGB story line but it doesn't work the other way round. As far as the movie are concerned, RGB doesn't exist.
The movies are written without considering RGB. You'll never hear any of the characters in the movie saying "hey, remember the time we caught the headless motorcyclist"? or "It's a good thing we had the junior Ghostbusters to help us out last time". The stories in RGB just haven't happened in that.
However in RGB they will talk about Gozer, Slimer etc from the movie. So the movies are part of RGB but RGB isn't part of the movies.
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Spooky
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Joined: Jul 15, 2001
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Posted: Mar 26, 2003 9:32 PM
Heres one thing you have to remember a cartoon cant be dated. Unless they show dates somewhere on them or holidays mentioned. So you can have a series of shows that occur in a week or spread them out in real time. Its never specified. You caould think of the first 3 seasons as being a cumalitive of only a year or so.
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brian_reilly
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Joined: Jan 18, 2002
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Posted: Mar 26, 2003 9:55 PM
I forgot about slimer! DOH! Anyways, when I'm watching RGB I like to think of it as current time (post GB2), and EGB is always another 10 years down the road.
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Veedramon
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Joined: Feb 03, 2003
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Posted: Mar 27, 2003 6:51 PM
I think RunDMC comes closest to nailing it: they wrote GB2 in a way that it was a direct sequel to GB1, and could exist as such without the cartoon. However, there was some awareness of the animation, as changes were even made to not exactly acknowledge RGB, but at least minimize the contradiction of it (ie the ECTO-1A/ECTO-2)
Trying to reconcile the differences in continuities and timelines of the various Ghostbuster incarnations is at the heart of a pet project I've been working on off and on for years. I may soon make the whole document available for perusal for Ghostheads everywhere...but let me give you a brief run-down...
1983--Year One
The events of GB1 occur.
It flies against the common assumption that GB1 "happens" in 1984, but this way the battle with Gozer can occur and be optioned for cinematic treatment.
1984--Year Two
The Events of RGB Season One and about half the Syndicated episodes occur
RGB Season One is set in 1984 due to "Take Two": the Ghostbusters are seen participating in the filming and premiere of GB1
1985--Year Three
The events of the second half of the syndicated RGB episodes and Season Two occur
1986--Year Four
The events of RGB Season Three and Now's RGB#1-14 occur
Several lawsuits, some having meandered in court since the Gozer crisis of 1983, come to bear all at once and the Ghostbusters accept an injunction against acting as paranormal investigators. Egon returns to research, Venkman becomes host of World of the Psychic, Ray opens an occult book shop, and he and Winston begin to appear at kids parties in Ghostbuster costume
1988--Year Six
The events of GB2 occur late in the year (the battle with Vigo technically ends on Jan 1, 1989)
Five years after GB1, one of the few actual dating references in the Ghostbuster canon
1989--Year Seven
The events of RGB Season Four and Now's RGB#15-27 occur.
1990--Year Eight
The events of RGB Season Five and Now's RGB#28 occur.
1991--Year Nine
the events of RGB Season Six and Now's RGB Vol.2 occur
Late in 1991 or in 1992 the Ghostbusters again break up, apparently quite abruptly and acrimoniously. Venkman goes to Hollywood and tries to shop around a concept for GB3, but the project dies when he and Dan Aykroyd can't convince Bill Murray to come aboard. Ray becomes a used car salesman in Colorado. Winston becomes a commuter pilot in Montana. Egon becomes a teacher, and watches over the Containment Unit.
1997--Year Fifteen
The events of XGB occur.
And yes, yes, I know most of you hate XGB. Just end the timeline after Year Nine/1991 then...
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roshangar
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Joined: Jan 16, 2003
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Posted: Mar 27, 2003 6:56 PM
Wow, how long did it take you to figure all of this out.
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Veedramon
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Joined: Feb 03, 2003
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Posted: Mar 27, 2003 7:01 PM
I kind of started tinkering with it back when XGB was still fresh in my mind, so this document has existed in one form or another for almost five years now. I admit that I was vastly inspired by Mike and Denise Okuda's Star Trek Chronology, and had fun with the challenge of taking a lot of at times incongruent facts and trying to make them fit together. The damn thing's like forty pages plus at the moment and growing...
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