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RGB Truly Canon with the Movies?
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Veedramon
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Joined: Feb 03, 2003
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 Posted: Mar 30, 2003 5:26 PM
Just a brainstorm, brian...I prefer the "they DID change the logo but changed back after Vigo" theory myself.
Update: Those Now Comics are, as of about an hour ago, no longer "very very buried" in my room. Give me a couple weeks to read them and take notes, and I'll be ready to share some "new" information with everybody, including some new "facts" that I plan to post on http://www.ghostbusters.net/disscussion/ghn/5/121827/
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Doc Ryedale
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Joined: Nov 02, 2002
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Posted: Mar 30, 2003 8:21 PM
I'm with Veedramon on this logo issue. I believe the main theory about this logo issue, is that when they went back into business in NOW's RGB's in GB II, they came up with that logo as a symbol saying "We're Back". They kept it for a while, to continue to send that message, and once they delt with Vigo, they changed it back to the original. Hence the quote from Veedramon earlier, "But Doctor Venkman the old logo is legendary and really well known and..." "I get the point, Louis, so SHUT UP!!!" 
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Dr Spectrum
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Joined: Feb 01, 2003
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Posted: Mar 30, 2003 8:45 PM
Well it actually happened IRL, they changed it back for the following shows in the Ghostbusters franchise
GB1 RGB [GB2] RGB XGB
and the Real Ghostbusters, the company, would probably do the same thing!
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brian_reilly
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Joined: Jan 18, 2002
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Posted: Mar 31, 2003 1:02 PM
Actually Veedramon, now that I think about, the best way to go is that they changed it back after they defeated Vigo.
Why my sudden change? If we take NOW's comics as part of the "Real" universe, then the RGBs are wearing the GB2 logo when fighting Vigo.
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Sinister
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Joined: Jul 05, 2002
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Posted: Apr 22, 2003 8:23 PM
I kinda like to think of it this way (note, you will either hate me or love me for this!  ) The Ghostbusters debuted in '84 when they saved the world from Gozer. Hungry TV companys were desperate to use this idea, and made a cartoon about them. This cartoon bascially ignored all of the problems that the guys were having in real life but noted some of the more humorous events and emphasised then, such as Slimer hanging around! Until the Vigo events, where thanks to the Louis and Janine relationship they took more details for use. All this time the GBs were getting paid royalties for their names being used in a cartoon. All the cartoons were based on some of the GBs cases that they handled before they were shut down shortly after the Gozer incident. and after the time when they were brought back into business.
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RunDMC
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Joined: Jul 16, 2001
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Posted: Apr 22, 2003 8:31 PM
As I mentioned before about RGB and the movies being totally different universes, I've thought of another point.
Peter is romantically involved with Dana at the end of the movie. However Dana isn't even mentioned once in RGB, not even in the episode set straight after the Gozer battle. Where did she go?
In GB2 she reffers to her and Peter's relationship. It obviously went on for some time before they split up. At the end of GB2 they're back together again but in the episodes proceding the movie she's gone again. I refuse to believe they've split up again.
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Doc Ryedale
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Joined: Nov 02, 2002
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Posted: Apr 22, 2003 10:30 PM
Citizen Ghost is the episode that sorta takes place right after the battle with Gozer (If you don't include the parts where Peter is being interviewed. ).
I've wondered about this too. At the beginning of this episode, Peter, Egon, Ray, and Winston arrive at the Firehouse, covered in Marshmallow. But it's just them that arrive, and not with Janine and Dana. Janine was already at the Firehouse, when they got there, yet we saw her and Dana get in the Ecto-1, and ride off with the guys at the end of the first movie. My theory for this would be that after they all got in the Ecto-1 with Janine and Dana, they dropped Janine off at the Firehouse, and then went and dropped Dana off at her Parents' Apartment. After they dropped Dana off at her Parents' Apartment, they went back to the Firehouse, and that's when Citizen Ghost begins (If you don't include the parts where Peter is being interviewed. ).
Now as far as Peter and Dana’s relationship goes after Citizen Ghost, I don't know. There may be some untold stories that occurred between Citizen Ghost and the first episode, which I believe is Knock Knock. But the reason why the writers probably choose not to include Dana on RGB between Seasons 1 through GB II, was because they thought she'd slow down the show, and that Kids wouldn't have been all that interested in her. Plus, they needed some way to keep Peter's "hittin' on the Girls" characteristic.
As for the Seasons after GB II, the same reason listed above probably applies. But I guarantee you that they stayed together after that. I'm pretty sure that they stayed together from then on. And the Circumstances that the Ghostbusters and their Company were under after GB II ended were better than what happened after the first couple seasons of RGB (Peter and Dana's split, lawsuit city, going out of business, etc.). After GB II ended, the Ghostbusters' Company received that big check from the City for busting Vigo, they didn't suffer any more lawsuits, Peter and Dana were back together (This time under better terms.), and they had plenty of money to help the company grow. Hey, they probably did get married.
So now we can all refuse to believe that they split up again. Because I'm sure that they didn't. . .
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RunDMC
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Joined: Jul 16, 2001
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Posted: Apr 23, 2003 4:56 PM
But if Peter and Dana didn't split up again after GB2 (I really like to think they didn't) then where is Dana in the RGB episodes that are set after GB2?
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brian_reilly
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Joined: Jan 18, 2002
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Posted: Apr 23, 2003 7:58 PM
Dana is not chronicled in the RGB series because she is a friggin' black hole for paranormal energy. She doesn't go anywhere near the firehouse because the second she gets near a ghost, it latches on to her. That woman has the worst luck in the world!
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Veedramon
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Posted: Apr 24, 2003 7:58 AM
I've probably made it pretty clear that when it comes to conflicts between the movies and RGB, I generally side with RGB. That being said, the utter and complete absence of Dana in the cartoon, not even a mention, has always bugged me.
Granted, her absence actually "helped" GB2 from the standpoint of RGB continuity. Short of actually asking J. Micheal Straczynski or the Grossjucks we can only speculate why Dana wasn't there: Doc Ryedale's theory is probably part of it; Dana wasn't a Ghostbuster, nor an employee of the company, and her absence did allow for some "Venkman on the prowl" comedy as he hit on Cynthia Crawford, Anne Johnson, Doris Tibbs, Alice Derleth, ect. ect. ect...
There would've been ways to use Dana:
1.Only as an occasional guest star, though this pretty much would've involved the same "Dana and/or Oscar's in trouble" plots as the movies.
2.Dana becomes a Ghostbuster, or an employee. She doesn't seem to have any interest in the former, and might decide the job is too dangerous for a young mother to have. As for the latter, what supporting role would be appropriate for a celloist and art restorer? The four Ghostbusters and Janine have the buisness pretty well covered; heck, RGB even had trouble figuring out ways to use Louis Tully convincingly, so he faded away pretty quick after GB2. (And remember that Aykroyd and Ramis had to actually change Louis's character, grafting on the lawyer persona, to justify hiring him in the first place!)
Now, does that mean there's no hope? No. There's a little principle I call "just because it isn't mentioned or show doesn't mean it didn't happen". Just because we don't see Dana after GB2 doesn't mean she isn't around. It's entirely believable that she and Venkman are seeing each other "off camera" as it were. It actually adds some justification to the watered down Dave Coulier version of Venkman--he stopped chasing women because he was back with his one true love. (Though that doesn't explain why he lost about thiry IQ points and was sickeningly nice to Slimer  )
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Doc Ryedale
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Posted: Apr 24, 2003 8:23 AM
Exactly my point(s), Veedramon! 
But what reason was Louis Tully brought on to RGB? Was it just because he sorta helped to bust Vigo in GB II, Became part of the team (Accountant/Lawyer/So-Called "5th Ghostbuster", etc.), or just so Rick Moranis could have an Action Figure of a Character he played? And why did he fade away pretty quick after GB II?
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"Back off, man, I'ma Genealogist!"
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Veedramon
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Posted: Apr 24, 2003 8:44 AM
Ahhh...thank you Doc...I've been sitting on parts of this Louis Tully rant for a while now...
The reason Louis Tully came into RGB Season Four (after GB2) is pretty simple: he was hired by the Ghostbusters in GB2, and the cartoon wanted to reflect that.
As for why he faded quick? That's pretty simple too: they couldn't find much to do with him.
He's a lousy Ghostbuster, for one thing--Winston, Venkman, and even Dana and Janine (even the fake one at the time) have him beat when it comes to the physical qualifications (being able to fight, aim, and lug a heavy unlicensed nuclear accellerator on his back); Ray and Egon aren't exactly the pictures of physical perfection either, but they are absolutely unbeatable when it comes to knowledge of the paranormal and science.
And what is Louis's role in the company? Accountant and lawyer. Not much opportunity for action and comedy there (as they put it in Ghostbusters International: "Don't overuse lawyers--there's nothing funny about them").
So what's left? His "relationship" with Janine? Both comic writer James Van Hise and the writers of RGB justly, gleefully vetoed that--Janine already has a well-established love interest, and his name is Egon.
Thusly: Louis down to cameos in Season Five and Six, and isn't even mentioned in XGB.
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brian_reilly
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Joined: Jan 18, 2002
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Posted: Apr 24, 2003 12:13 PM
My thoughts exactly Veedramon. Although, I think it would have been nice to have seen Louis in EGB/XGB. They were always getting in trouble with the law, and ccould have really used his help. He could've been the great character that he was in GB1 again!
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Doc Ryedale
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Joined: Nov 02, 2002
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Posted: Apr 26, 2003 2:38 PM
You know something, I've started telling People that the Ghostbusters Movies weren't what really happened. I've been telling them that the movies were actually based on The Real Ghostbusters. No, I'm not saying that I told them the cartoon came first (Like TMNT.), but I basically told them what we learned from Take Two and Citizen Ghost, and that was indeed that they don't just call them The Real Ghostbusters for no reason. So now when someone tells you that the Ghostbusters (Movies) aren't real, you tell them that's because they're not The Real Ghostbusters (RGB). Get it?
I thought I'd tell you guys about What's GBI's official status on RGB type Uniforms?. I was trying to tell Louis Tully about why they call them The Real Ghostbusters. I don't know if he read that last reply, though. You've all got to take a look at that. I couldn't stop laughing at what he said about another person who I confused him with, that had a certain "Shrink Ray".
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"Hey, do you believe in God? Well I do. Praise the Lord and pass the Particle Throwers! I love Jesus' style. . . "
"Back off, man, I'ma Genealogist!"
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Veedramon
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Joined: Feb 03, 2003
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Posted: Apr 26, 2003 5:21 PM
Yeah, I saw that thread a few days ago, Doc...
"I don't have a problem with RGB style uniforms, but why in heaven's name would you want to bust ghosts in a uniform with pink piping?"
Louis better be careful...that's one of his bosses he's slamming...
Though I guess we can't completely blame him for being a bit bitter, can we?
Edit: My apologies for getting off topic here, too...
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