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RGB Truly Canon with the Movies?
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brian_reilly
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 Posted: Apr 27, 2003 4:45 PM
Veedramon, for the first time I must truly, whole-heartidly disagree with you. While your theory on Dana does have some merit, mine is better 
EDIT:: I would like to toss in a third theory - Dana was created for the films. The movies needed a hero (hence the upgrade in Venkman's status) and a damsel in distress (hence the creation of the Dana character). Perhaps the films are not entirely based on "reality".
For this to work, we would have to assume that for GB1 to have occurred in the "real" universe, that there was a Dana-like character in the "real" universe. Her name was changed (for obvious reasons) and Sigourney Weaver was cast in the role. When filming GB2, Dan thought it would be best to keep the same well-developed, yet mostly fictional, damsel in distress.
Of course, I'm sure this theory really screws with a lot of other stuff, so maybe we should just stick with the black hole one, eh?
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Veedramon
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Posted: Apr 27, 2003 5:14 PM
Hmm...certainly something to think about, but one of my goals has been to stamp "this didn't happen this way" on a little as possible, and saying "Dana Barrett was just made up/ composited" is just a little too far out for me.
A few posts back Sinister had his own theory about how the movies and cartoons fit together (I can't believe I didn't catch that sooner--what is wrong with me?) It favors the movies in the movies vs. RGB question, it sounds to me, (Y'know, the guys who insist the Ghostbusters are "Four Guys In Tan Who Look Like Murray, Aykroyd, Ramis, and Hudson")--kind of the opposite side of the coin from what we've been hashing out here...would the movies exist in Sinister's universe, I wonder?
Actually, it leads to a point I was kind of wondering about myself: would RGB, the cartoon, exist in the RGB universe? My first instinct is "no"...but there is Ray's comment in "Flip Side": "We're the Good Guys! We even have our own cartoon!!!" (or something like that--I haven't seen "Flip Side" for a few years, and read that quote in a post somewhere here on GBN)
Hows this for a compromise? There is a cartoon in the RGB universe...Slimer! and the Ghostbusters. (There's no Filmation in the Ghostbusters' universe, either  ) After getting good press on Cynthia Crawford's UBN, Columbia and Dic buy the cartoon rights from Venkman and create a goofy, stylized cartoon centered around Slimer but featuring the Ghostbusters in supporting roles. It allows us to thus consider everything in the Slimer! cartoons (the dumb stories and crappy supporting cast starting with Professor Dweeb) as not existing in the "Real" universe, just inventions of hack cartoon writers creating a show for little kids (except for that problem of "Deja Boo" and "The Slob", but it's only two episodes...I guess the Sleaze could be based off a real case, but Dweeb is a real issue. Might be time to take out that "it didn't really happen this way" stamp after all). I could just see the "Real" Venkman watching the Slimer Venkman, with his ridiculously overstarched collar, on the tube talking to Slimer...
TV Venkman (in Dave Coulier Voice): Way to go, Slimer little buddy!!!
Real Venkman (in Lorenzo Music Voice): That guy sounds nothing like me.
It comes out in 1986, right about the time the lawsuits are coming full steam: the money from it helps the Ghostbusters defend themselves in court and manage to keep all of their equipment and headquarters. But because it sucks so bad, the show is taken off after one season and thus, two years later, kids are already forgetting about the Ghostbusters...("I thought we were gonna get He-Man!")
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Doc Ryedale
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Posted: Apr 30, 2003 10:22 PM
Louis Tully wrote: "I don't have a problem with RGB style uniforms, but why in heaven's name would you want to bust ghosts in a uniform with pink piping?"
Veedramon wrote: "Louis better be careful...that's one of his bosses he's slamming... Though I guess we can't completely blame him for being a bit bitter, can we?"
Yeah! I wonder if we should report that to Dr. Spengler? Being a bit bitter? Oh! You mean about this and this? 
And that's a brilliant theory you have about Slimer! And The Real Ghostbusters! You've got to include all of that in your Time Line.
How would these things have been, how do I say this, "viewed" in The RGB Universe?: The Junior Ghostbusters/The "new" Peter (Replacing Lorenzo Music with Dave Coulier, his acceptance of Slimer, and calling him "Spud" in a good way.)/The "new" Winston (Relacing Arsenio Hall with Buster Jones.)
BTW, As you know, most of the equipment on RGB, was very different looking/colored from the live-action Movie equipment. Do you think this was viewed the same way as the Nametag issue? You know, like basically in the RGB Universe, they saw it as being identical to the live-action Movie Equipment, while we didn't? PLEASE say YES, that it was viewed the same as the Nametag issue! NOTE: This doesn't include the Ecto Containment Unit or the Multicolored Jumpsuits, b/c of the explanation in Citizen Ghost.   
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Doc Ryedale
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Posted: May 01, 2003 2:53 PM
*Bumps thread to the top for the sake of Humanity*
No reply yet?
Where are Veedramon and Brian at?
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Veedramon
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Posted: May 01, 2003 6:28 PM
I'm sorry, Doc...I'm having some technical difficulties again and I have to get in, get out quick before my computer freezes on me again...dratted machine...and today of all days 
I'm still putting some thought into things...but as my Timeline stands right now I don't even mention the Junior Ghostbusters. Just call it a simple ommission for now, though not a denial of their existance. But they're so craven and dumb it's tempting.
Venkman and Slimer: For the sake of consistancy, the Dave Coulier voice and acting nice to Slimer is one area I DO take out the "It didn't happen this way" stamp. In my own personal Ghostbuster universe, Dave Coulier is only "right" in one episode: "Venk-Man!" The bombastic, stupid-sounding voice works perfectly when he's a hammy superhero, but to me it goes back to "normal" when the powers fade...
If JMS hadn't written the brilliant "Janine, You've Changed", I'd be putting the same stamp on "Janine as Mommy Figure". But not ignoring the changes creates it's own continuity problem: Janine is still Janine#1 in the Now Comics and, really, everywhere except TV and the "Screaming Heroes" figure. It's impossible to say "all the comics take place in Season One", especially since issues 16 and 23 make mention of events in GB2.
Y'know...maybe the simplest thing is to declare it like this:
The Core Canon is formed from GB1 and Season One RGB--especially the works of J. Micheal Straczynski, the RGB developer and Season One Story Editor. Characterizations ("Duh, good going Slimer little buddy!!!) and characters (Professor Dweeb, the Junior Ghostbusters) from later seasons, even including GB2 (Louis and Janine as a genuine "item"), when they conflict with the Core Canon with no explaination (ie "Janine You've Changed") are eligible to be ruled Invalid.
Just this week I completed the process of converting the Ghostbusters Omnibus Timeline to HTML from Word. (Sixty five pages and 214K) And, barring major distraction from aforementioned "technical difficulties", I'm already starting the process of getting a site up and running.
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brian_reilly
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Posted: May 01, 2003 9:54 PM
Okay so if we're not going with the "Dana was made-up/composited" theory, then we're definitely going with the "Dana is a black hole for psychic turbulence" theory right? Right?
Okay then, can't wait to see the site Veedramon, and although it's late and I can't think of anything that really needs to be addressed, I thought this topic could use *bump* seeing as it's probably one of the best topics ever written on this, or any, board.
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Doc Ryedale
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Posted: May 03, 2003 12:53 PM
Good Luck with the site, Veedramon!  Hey, maybe we could add the Ghostbusters Fact List to that site. I'm about to revise the info that I found on the equipment and technology, and either post it, or send it to Kingpin and you.
And Brian's right. This IS one of the best topics ever!
And this OFFICIALLY means that we're going with my theory about the Equipment on RGB: In the RGB Universe (Which is what REALLY happened. ), everyone saw all of the equipment (except for the Ecto Containment Unit and the Multicolored Jumpsuits, which DID have the nametags, which remain true to RGB, b/c they were explained in Citizen Ghost.) as being exactly identical to the live-action Movie equipment, while audiences watching at home saw them differently, on account of the designs being simplified for the quickness and easiness for the animators to draw/color. So the RGB's DID use equpment identical to the live-action movie equipment. This is basically the same principle/theory behind the nametag issue.
Fascinating, isn't it?
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Doc Ryedale
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Posted: May 04, 2003 6:19 PM
EDIT: I forgot mention another important element that makes that Equipment theory a fact. In Take Two, we see the RGB's equipment's movie prop counterparts, which are exactly identical to the RGB equipment, that the Guys use. The Guys leave their real equipment in a storage room, and go off. The Prop Master comes in with the Prop Proton Packs, and sees the real 4 Proton Packs already there. He thinks that they're just props, and only 4 are needed, so he takes the real ones away. The Guys come back later, and confuse the Props with the real Proton Packs! And of course we've all seen the movie, and the equipment, so we know what the props looked like. Which further proves that this theory is a fact.
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"Hey, do you believe in God? Well I do. Praise the Lord and pass the Particle Throwers! I love Jesus' style. . . "
"Back off, man, I'ma Genealogist!"
They don’t just call them The Real Ghostbusters for no reason! Take a look at Take Two, Citizen Ghost, The Ghostbusters Omnibus Timeline, THE GHOSTBUSTERS FACT LIST, and RGB Truly Canon with the Movies?, and you’ll see why!
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Dr Spectrum
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Posted: May 04, 2003 10:57 PM
Good point Doc. By the way we all know that episode proves "we have our own movie", in addition to "we have our own cartoon".
A comic book called the Fantastic Four deals with superheroes whose identities are no secret, this helping present the comics as a faithful account of the truth, made in their own "real world".
Likewise, the Ghostbusters don't have no "secret identity" problems. They can have all the movies, comics, TV episodes, etc. that relate their saga as it happened -- "The Real Ghostbusters".
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Doc Ryedale
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Posted: May 05, 2003 9:05 PM
That's cool Dr. Spectrum! I didn't know a whole lot about them.
Anyway, I have something else to go along with Veedramon's Nametage Theory, which also makes it a fact. In Citizen Ghost, we see the Guys in their Movie Jumpsuits, but they don't have nametags on those ones either, but in the Movie they did have them. Brilliant!
BTW, at the beginning of this topic someone posted "It has been said that Aykroyd sees the RGB's as canon with the movies. . .". When did Dan Aykroyd say that? Well the correct comment would be "It has been said that The Real Ghostbusters see the Movies as canon with RGB. . .". Right?
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"Hey, do you believe in God? Well I do. Praise the Lord and pass the Particle Throwers! I love Jesus' style. . . "
"Back off, man, I'ma Genealogist!"
They don’t just call them The Real Ghostbusters for no reason! Take a look at Take Two, Citizen Ghost, The Ghostbusters Omnibus Timeline, THE GHOSTBUSTERS FACT LIST, and RGB Truly Canon with the Movies?, and you’ll see why!
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Ray Parker Jr.
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Joined: Nov 21, 2002
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Posted: May 09, 2003 4:44 PM
Guys im loving this topic...very well thought out and everything...but i had one little idea of mine that maybe could work into all this. Now u guys have said some stuff ur just gonna ignore such as the jr. ghostbusters and dweeb. One think u mentioned that u were gonna ignore was Janine and Louis making out in GB2....My theory of this is perhaps it was a way to make egon jealous...She's in peter's apt. when dana walks in so dana's probablly gonna tell peter...who then has fun tellin egon, plus when louis needed a jumpsuit he wore egon's probably given to him by janine to make egon even more jealous. Like a scene at the end of GB2 when their walking out of the museum of peter sayin to egon "janine and louis were making out on my couch" And then egon not caring about it. And when Janine found out he didn't care she went back to her old plan of bein more direct i.e. RGB
This is just a little thought i had now but it could work
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Veedramon
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Posted: May 09, 2003 7:17 PM
Well, to be precise, what I've said is I tend to ignore the idea of "Janine and Louis as a genuine item". Meaning, on Janine's part at least, there was no real deep feeling: Janine was more ticked off at Egon and starved for attention than anything else. The Now comic and RGB brush off the whole Janine/Louis thing pretty quick, so at best it was a fling. But somehow it got to Ramis and Aykroyd that "something" went on, and they exaggerated it/took it out of context to make the movie "funnier". At least that's how I view it.
PS: By the way, Ray Parker Jr. thanks for your nice review on "Terror on the Jersey Turnpike"
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Ray Parker Jr.
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Posted: May 09, 2003 7:42 PM
oh sure thing dude...i mean i really loved ur story...it really captures the feel of the early years of rgb
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Kingpin
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Posted: May 29, 2003 4:51 PM
Well, I strayed into this topic later then the rest of you guys, not sure why, but I bring some theories.
Concerning the nametags
Ignoring Elementary, My Dear Winston We only ever saw the nametags in the movie, an idea I had was that Dan and Harold could of implemented the nametags as part of their vision of how GBI would have been, though having said this, then if they were basing it totally off GBI then there would be no nametags.
Concerning the uniforms
It is possible that the uniforms were made tan instead of coloured, because they were cheaper for the costume department at the studio to make them tan, instead of coloured, thus to help establish a equal status in the company.
Though having read them, I'm not sure if my above theories actually made any sense, oh well Matthew, Fritz, subject them to your skill.
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Veedramon
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Posted: May 29, 2003 5:48 PM
Despite what some people seem to think (**caugh**Sinister***caugh**) I don't automatically come down on RGB's side on EVERY "movie vs. cartoon" issue. I really think of my personal vision of the Ghostbusters as something of a composite: they look and sound like the Season One characters, but they (where appropriate) drink, smoke, and cuss like they do in the movies. And as always, the complete absence of Dana even being mentioned in the cartoon was a greivous oversight, in my view.
Reinstating the nametags was a sensible attempt to "close the gap", especially as we had that one small piece of direct evidence ("Elementary, My Dear Winston") to support it.
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