I don't know about the rest of the ghostheads out there, but i'm hoping Dan will make sure the video game and Ghostbusters III wont hurt “The Real Ghostbusters” and Extreme Ghostbusters“ Back Cannon. So far with the game it plays out much like the movie ghostbusters 2 or even better at not battling The animated series Cannon. Most noted things could in a way happen based on how they explain the Real ghostbusters cannon based on episode ”Take two".

Personally I think one of the many reasons Ghostbusters II and the whole franchise failed was the lack of explaining and making the movie fit with the cartoon /Cartoon fit with the movie.

But, maybe I'm the only one that thinks about this, when reading about a new video game, and film.

devilmanozzy;134355
Personally I think one of the many reasons Ghostbusters II and the whole franchise failed was the lack of explaining and making the movie fit with the cartoon /Cartoon fit with the movie.

But, maybe I'm the only one that thinks about this, when reading about a new video game, and film.

The cartoon Real Ghostbusters is not considered canon in the Ghostbusters Universe as Dan Aykrod did not write it. However, the movies are canon to the Real Ghostbusters cartoon as they have made references to both movies in the cartoon

So the movies are the real canon and the cartoons are just like fan fiction

Most people consider the cartoon in it's own separate universe somewhat. It's still a huge part of the franchise and ehh, I wouldn't really say fan fiction, :p True the movies pretty much stay in their own realm. The cartoon allowed the characters to do a lot but really the cartoon would have you believe the Ghostbusters “movie” is made after, based after the events of their lives that was the GB movies as we know it.

That way it seems far more appropriate for the cartoon to reference the movie. Plus everyone knows the movies. I wouldn't expect Dan Aykroyd in the new game to start talking about Simon Quegg or Dopey Dog :-) I personally never try to reason too many ties between the two(movies and cartoon) (*winston) Likely they were never meant to seriously be a “movie” continuation. Maybe they didn't know they'd be making GB2 either.

I wouldn't say the franchise really failed, up until about EGB most people would probably say. There are a lot of people probably quick to sweep EGB as canon under the rug lol The “discrepancies” never really bothered me.

Zack;134357
Most people consider the cartoon in it's own separate universe somewhat.

I say “fan fiction” cause I cannot think of a better word for it.

Like I said. They are two universes.

But according to the movies, the cartoons never happened and in all honesty, the movies come first. So while the cartoons are fun, they are not in canon with the movies

Zack;134357
Most people consider the cartoon in it's own separate universe somewhat. It's still a huge part of the franchise and ehh, I wouldn't really say fan fiction, :p True the movies pretty much stay in their own realm. The cartoon allowed the characters to do a lot but really the cartoon would have you believe the Ghostbusters “movie” is made after, based after the events of their lives that was the GB movies as we know it.

Well I remember less fans torwards the end of the Cartoons run and the Ghostbusters II film had trouble in the box office. I know there are arguements for why both failed, trust me, being a fan since 1986 I know. However, I as a kid didn't like the movie all that much, and in someways it got very confusing because first of all they tried sticking Louis Tully in the show and yet the movie still conflicts in respect to suits/pet slimer so on. Why did they try? Either go all the way, or go against.

Zack;134357
That way it seems far more appropriate for the cartoon to reference the movie. Plus everyone knows the movies. I wouldn't expect Dan Aykroyd in the new game to start talking about Simon Quegg or Dopey Dog :-) I personally never try to reason too many ties between the two(movies and cartoon) (*winston) Likely they were never meant to seriously be a “movie” continuation. Maybe they didn't know they'd be making GB2 either.

Part of what even further confuses me is that the second movie they call the green ghost Slimer, which isn't the name for him. Infact he didn't have a name.

There are two Dopey Dogs too! not to go off topic but I found that funny.

Zack;134357
I wouldn't say the franchise really failed, up until about EGB most people would probably say. There are a lot of people probably quick to sweep EGB as canon under the rug lol The “discrepancies” never really bothered me.

I know a few people at college that actually loved the Extreme Ghostbusters but don't care for the Films and didn't know much at all on The Real Ghostbusters. Heck, one of them is always quoting when he gets a chance “Maybe he's dead”. Extreme Ghostbusters didn't fail. If anything it was the fact it was syndicated which is a losing game to begin with.

However, I think Dan should think about the cartoons when reading the script and coming up with, if all else fails, a way to sort of skip 1997 as a year of ghostbusters and if in the film they claimed they meet up only once since 1991 (Back in the Saddle) I think a lot of fans would love hearing that just to leave Extreme Ghostbusters as possible Cannon. Its not that hard really for him to leave Extreme Ghostbusters as possible cannon. I know that there are differences and yes it is different cannons but with fans of the cartoons watching, they should humor the fans of the cartoons. Then again I could just be a Real Ghosthead…lol

The movies and cartoon are not cannon. In Ghostbusters 2, they were sued by practically every business which was damaged because of Stay Puft, which left them bankrupt and had a court order that prevented them from Ghostbusting. In RGB, they are still and business and kicking. If GB2 was cannon was RGB, the movie would of started with them still busting ghosts, and not having separate jobs.

But EGB is cannon with RGB, since EGB is a sequel to RGB. But generally, most cartoon series based off movies aren't considered cannon, no matter how close they may be to the film source, it's a spin-off.

devilmanozzy;134362
However, I think Dan should think about the cartoons when reading the script

I don't hate RGB, in fact I love it, but I don't think there's a reason to make the game tie in with the cartoons. It is after all, based from the MOVIES, which he wrote, along with Ramis. He didn't write any of the cartoon, and as far I as I know didn't have any involvement in it either. The game wouldn't hurt any cannon with the cartoons, because there was no cannon to begin with.

devilmanozzy;134355
Personally I think one of the many reasons Ghostbusters II and the whole franchise failed was the lack of explaining and making the movie fit with the cartoon /Cartoon fit with the movie.

That's a rather extreme conclusion to come to.

There was some cross-polination back in '89 when Ghostbusters II was released, elements of humor, delivery and content were retooled to be a bit more younger audience friendly, in addition as you pointed out, Slimer became known as “Slimer” and hung around the Firehouse… probably the most direct reference to The Real Ghostbusters that the second movie had, and with RGB gaining Louis Tully, a reference to Vigo and Janine's bowl-cut.

But I find there's little to support the idea that a lack of recognition of the show was ultimately the film and the franchise's downfall. Ghostbusters II got hammered at the cinema by being released alongside Batman, and probably even getting a bit of serious competition from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. In addition to that, it just wasn't as well written or crafted as it's predeccesor, all of which were greater contributing factors towards it's poor reaction then not referencing RGB.

As for the show, that was already on a downhill slop by 1989, and it just got worse from there thanks to the studio execs.


So really, there's no basis at all for the suggestion that not explaining how the cartoons and the films worked together was what led to the franchise as a whole to fail.


As for the game, I hope that there are some “warmly regarded” nods to the first show (we're kidding ourselves in any expectation of a XGB reference here). It's unlikely of course but there is roof for something, such as where they go with the Ecto-Containment Unit.

If there is a reference, it's probably going to be a sly wink one, like the few references that were slipped into Ghostbusters: Legion.

*I guess I'll be the odd man out - I treat them as one in the same myself …The “take two” premise was just an elaborate in-joke to the fans by J.M.S. - And I've got the article somewhere to back this factoid up…Not saying that within the series story they never really had a movie made about them, “cannon-wise”…

*And the series never really pegged what years that it took place in…“Citizen Ghost” didn't really say how many years since the “Gozer” battle that all of this was taking place in, and neither did “Partners In Slime” with how long it had been since Vigo…So theoretically they could have “gone out of business” somewhere between “GB1/RGB” and “GBII/RGB the later seasons”…

*Anyways - The only thing I tend to “throw out” in terms of “cannon”, are the sillier fare from the Marvel UK comics, the “Slimer!” solo eps, and quite possibly the horrid “The Other Side” mini-series…Well and the sillier last couple of season eps…

*I can understand why some people want to separate the two, however in my opinion RGB and even EGB expounded on the “movie cannon” so richly that I can't and won't separate the two, slight of their different looks…And honestly, as stated above, there really is nothing short of the “Legion” series, that “retconned” the story from 1984 to 2004, that really contradicts the other that severely …

*At least that is my two cents…Fritz?

*Cheers.

Ectofiend;134368
*I can understand why some people want to separate the two, however in my opinion RGB and even EGB expounded on the “movie cannon” so richly that I can't and won't separate the two, slight of their different looks…And honestly, as stated above, there really is nothing short of the “Legion” series, that “retconned” the story from 1984 to 2004, that really contradicts the other that severely …

Well another interesting fact the movie cannon fans forget is Richard Mueller was the one who wrote the Novelization of Ghostbusters the movie, before heading over to the animated series thanks to J. Michael Straczynski. Much of the stuff he wrote into the series was infact Ghostbusters Film cannon that didn't appear in the movie but was in the Novelizations of the movie. I can't believe how people fight the connections the Real Ghostbusters has to the whole franchise. I doubt there would have been a Ghostbusters two or much of anything if it was not for the cartoon.

So in a way, Dan should make sure the cannon from the animated is respected. Its part of ghostbusters matter how hard you try to avoid it.

devilmanozzy;134374
So in a way, Dan should make sure the cannon from the animated is respected. Its part of ghostbusters matter how hard you try to avoid it.

First off. It is “canon” with one “n” not two.

Second of all, stuff from the cartoon contradicts the movies. For example, in the cartoon Mr Stay Puft is a friend of the Ghostbusters and has helped them on several occasions. Stay Puft is also in the containment unit to which is never explained how or why? He was blown up in the first movie.

Now in the video game timeline, which is written by Dan and Harold same as the other movies, Mr. Stay Puft is an Enemy again. How does the cartoon explain this? This is just one of the inconsistencies.

The cartoon explains somethings, yet doesn't explain others. I don't consider the cartoon canon because of this reason. Sure it gives me an idea, but there are so many things including in he Star Wars universe that happen yet are not canon to the story. So no doubt a franchise

If anything, I consider the cartoon an alternate universe. Like what would have happened if they didn't get sued and had the retraining order on them. This is assuming they got sued almost right after they defeated Gozer.

You also have cartoon episodes that seem to skip times. One episode has it in the beginning after movie one, and then another after they fought Vigo. It is unknown unless you see a certain episode that mentions them.

If you want to consider the cartoon canon, then know this that the movie story come first and that is one that will be correct. If the movie contradicts the cartoon, then the movie automatically overrides the cartoon and thus the info in the cartoon is false.

Even Bungie did this when novels came out about Halo. They say that the game's story comes first and if any info in the books contradicts the games, then the games are true story, not the books. However the difference is is that the Halo books are authorized by Bungie.

Let me give you an example using Ghostbusters. In the cartoon before Ghostbusters II came out, it seemed like they stayed in business and still doing well. When Ghostbusters II came out, they said that the Ghostbusters we're sued and then had a restraining order on them preventing them from catching ghost. This is assumed that this happened 5 years ago after they beat Gozer as Peter said “We did a job for the mayor some time ago and got stiffed on the bill…”

So what do you follow the cartoon or the movie when the cartoon contradicts?

So I say, the cartoon is canon to a point, but unless it is really approved by Dan Aykroyd, then I don't consider it canon.